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New Expedition to Sumatra

The search for Orang Pendek continues…

Center for Fortean ZoologyThe Center for Fortean Zoology has organized another expedition to Sumatra in search of the famed Orang Pendek, a short, powerful, bipedal hominoid, sightings of which have been reported for centuries by the indigenous people of the Sumatran rain forests.

Here is the information given to me by expedition leader and cryptid researcher Adam Davies:

“We leave Friday, September 9, 20011 and will return on the 25th of September, late night. I will be leading the expedition, which is entitled The CFZ Sumatra Expedition 2011. There will be two teams to maximise our chances of finding evidence of the creature.

Team 1 will be at high altitude, and will make its base camp by the shores of a lake at top of the Gunung Tujuh volcano. It will comprise me, Andy Sanderson, Tim De Friel, Zoologist Richard Freeman and Tracker Dave Archer. This is the area where Dave saw the OP in 2009, when he was with guides Sahar, Donni and myself. Sahar and Donni will again be joining us there.

Team 2 will be led by Dr. Chris Clark, and will also include Rebecca Lang and Mike Williams of CFZ Australia, as well as Lisa Maslan and Tracker Jon McGowan. This team will focus on the area between the farmland and the jungle, where there has been a concentration of eyewitness reports from locals, and is also in the vicinity of where Andy and I heard an OP call in 2004.

All teams will be using a combination of technology, and local and personal expertise in the field to maximise our chances of getting results! Any evidence we do bring back will of course be rigorously analysed by independent respected academics, who are already on stand by.”

Adam Davies in SumatraEvidence from previous expeditions to Sumatra in search of Orang Pendek have been compelling enough (see DNA Evidence of Mystery Ape!) to warrant yet another expedition in the attempt to find further proof of the creature’s existence.

When questioned the possibility of new techniques being employed in the search for Orang Pendek, Mr. Davies was somewhat evasive, saying only that they’ll be doing something “a little different this time around”, but declined to say exactly what this will be. I assume Adam’s reluctance to divulge these details are to avoid tipping off the OP, who I assume is a regular reader of The Paranomalist.

As always, I wish the best of luck to Adam and the entire CFZ team and hope they have a safe, productive and fruitful journey. I’ll look forward to hearing more about it upon their return.

33 thoughts on “New Expedition to Sumatra

  1. The advantage Orang-Pendek has is it’s size due being between three and four feet tall that makes it easy to evade any searchers finding them and if their body hair is liike ours the safest thing would be to hide in plain sight under than height the may be able to pass for humans just a thought.

  2. Good luck. Two things strike me about the search for O.P

    1 – they must have evolved to avoid the predatory tigers, something unique amongst the search for other unknown hominids.
    2 – their defence mecanism seems to be to press up against the trees (as per Dave Archer’s sighting and the early reported sightings by the Dutch)

    these two factors combined should be taken into account when coming up with strategies for locating and documenting OP.

  3. Another expedition in search of a phantom! How the Trickster Coyote laughs at all this! There is no more a flesh and blood animal behind the Orang-Pendek than there is to the Yeti, Bigfoot, Yowli and the Mande-Burung. Just like UFOs are not nuts and bolts spacecraft, the same categorical error is made with so-called ET humanoid sightings as with Bigfoot type creatures. And ‘ET alien’ sightings and sasquatch are aspects of the same phenomenon, manifestations of the collective unconscious (I realize this explains nothing, it’s just a description of a mystery) and the latter’s bizarro dynamics. Hence no evidence whatsoever of captured or dead aliens despite the hue and cry to the contrary, just as with Bigfoot. Just as with UFOs and ‘alien visitations’, yes we have ambivalent and enigmatic physical traces of the phenomenon that is the ‘wildman’; yet no smoking gun in evidence of a mundane *solely* physical phenomena.

    Sumatra has been heavily deforested this last century, along with the rest of Indonesia. If the Orang-Pendek or another ‘wildman of the woods’ type existed, skeletons and remains of this creature would have been unearthed (as with Bigfoot on the heavily environmentally degraded west coast of North America but never mind) along with the other fauna skeletons and fossils amidst the ecological ruins of the island.

    You may as well launch an expedition into the countryside of Ireland in search of fairie, or an expedition to Crete to find the minotaur; because that to all intents and purposes is what they are doing! The Orang-Pendek is fairie, as is ET, as are Bigfoot, trolls, thunderbirds, harpies, elves, nymphs, the Loch Ness monster and the therianthropes of shamanic visions. They are in other words ourselves. Men will travel to the furthest corners of the world, scale the high peaks of mountain ranges, trample though jungle, all in search of themselves and they don’t know it. And they don’t know it because they don’t know themselves.

    John Keel, who a little bird told me, now sits at Loki’s side in Valhalla, has a big grin on his face when word reached him of this latest expedition to snare a creature from the animus mundi, as if our daemons are mountain gorillas or snow leopards!

    Remember that when the expedition comes back empty handed despite most probably tantalizing sightings and enigmatic traces (because in part the expedition expects them, desperately hopes for them and even prays for them); not that they will ever abandon their beliefs here. Well I doubt it. Just like the ET crowd.

    The truth (whatever it is) is far more interesting and far stranger.. and perhaps forever beyond our grasp. It does however revolve around the mystery of ourselves, and knowing ourselves remains as much a taboo as it ever was; hence the refusal to recognize our daemons for who and what they are..

    1. Well said, Lawrence. I’m not sure if I agree with all of your ideas (and I have little doubt that Adam Davies and the rest of CFZ expedition team will disagree with all of it), but I’ve long been intrigued with the idea that some of these sightings maybe glimpses of beings that occupy other parallel realities. That’s not to say that they aren’t real or physical beings. Phantoms don’t leave footprints with dermal ridges, hair samples, or give off odors. Those are characteristics of physically tangible species. My feeling is that these “sightings” — which includes UFOs, gnomes, faeries, ETs, cryptid animals, etc. — are 1) entities that either voluntarily (or involuntarily) travel from their plane of existence into ours, and back again; or 2) we Homo sapiens occasionally view the “other side” and see things there that can’t be explained rationally through our generally accepted notion of what constitutes reality.

      The third possibility is of course that these mystery primates are indeed undiscovered species, which is what the cryptozoology crowd believes. I can’t discount this possibility because new species are regularly being discovered. Most of these tend to be smaller species such as insects and sea-dwelling creatures, but occasionally larger land animals are discovered. Look into the Bili Ape as an example of this. An exceptionally large, 300 lb species of chimp that the native people long spoke of and was known to them as “lion killers”. They weren’t discovered until 2006. I don’t think it’s impossible for large primates to avoid human detection for extended periods of time.

      Lastly, I think I’m going to have to disagree with your human-centric point of view. I believe the notion that everything revolves around us human beings and is a manifestation of our own consciousness is wrong thinking. I feel human beings are a part of nature and our need to dominate nature and elevate ourselves above other species is leading us toward our own destruction. I think there is MUCH that we don’t understand about our planet and where we fit into the whole scheme of things, as well as a general lack of understanding of the universe and nature of reality. My guess is that it’s all a lot more complex than we can begin to imagine.

  4. Thanks for the response John. Great blog btw.

    I do agree with you that the phenomenon (whatever it is) has a physical or quasi-physical aspect to it, for sure. Keel himself never doubted it, neither does that other hero of mine Jacques Vallee. When I wrote ‘phantom’ I didn’t quite mean it in the traditional orthodox sense of the word. The problem with writing even a longish comment on blogs on a subject so vast, mysterious, complex and confusing is that one can only say so much, and much that needs to be said just isn’t.

    As for the anthropocentric angle, agreed it is an apparent weakness, but I’ll stick to it all the same. I think its weakness is only apparent, more than real. If the collective unconscious is real and has a physical aspect to it, not a mere abstraction; its effects and manifestations in our world would in principle confirm an anthropocentric POV, at least on this front. The evidence for this I think is considerable, but like I say it’s not something one can expand on here. I agree that it’s more complex than we can begin to imagine, or at least more mysterious. Even if this anthropocentric hypothesis is only half right, it would ask more questions than it answers. Yet I think that is what counts in its favour! All advances in science have led to more questions being asked and more mysteries being unveiled. In a very real sense we know less now than we ever did, because we realize that there is so much more to know.

    I do think that we cannot begin to make traction with truly getting to grips with this phenomenon (whatever it is) until we open up to the reality of psi phenomena and the recognition that the mind is a largely undiscovered and little chartered country and its capabilities and depths are nothing less than miraculous. I also think that the Trickster aspect to all this and a lot else besides is overwhelming. I would argue we are quite literally chasing our shadows. Yet these shadows paradoxically have substance! Or to put it another way – and yes I plead guilty to anthropocentrism here – if a bigfoot trips and falls in the forest and cries out and there is no human around to witness and hear it, does a bigfoot trip, fall and cry out in the forest? I would answer no! That doesn’t mean I’m saying bigfoot doesn’t exist, he exists alright, just not in the way we think..
    Of course I could be wrong.

    I do agree with you that the undiscovered species hypothesis has more going for it than I made out. It certainly cannot be ruled out.

    I am actually strangely enough in the process of reading Ivan Sanderson’s ‘Abominable Snowmen: Legend come to life’ finally, after years of meaning to read it but never getting round to it – not from cover to cover at least. Published fifty years ago it may be the finest book ever written on the subject, still. I think Sanderson’s voluminous research gives a lot of *inadvertent clues* to the hypothesis I briefly outline here, even though this wasn’t Sanderson’s own take. His book is truly a gold-mine.

  5. Lawrence, your bleatings are the ramblings of a nut case. Hve you evr ven been to Sumatra. Kerinci National Park isthe size of a small country (almost exactly the size of Montenegro) and still thickly forested.
    It amazes me how morons like you spout such crap whilst sittng on your arsehole in front of a computor and doing bugger all real research.
    Grow up or shut up.

    1. Tell us what you really think, Richard! LOL!! Cool — I like debate on my blog, so don’t ever feel that you should hold back. You’re passionate about your field, and I respect that.

      I hope I’m not lumped in with the “nut cases” if I entertain the idea of parallel realities. Seems that a lot of what we’re learning from quantum physics supports these far out, “paranormal” ideas. However, that’s not to disparage or take away from what you cryptozoologists and field researchers are doing. I have no doubt that many / most of the creatures you seek are real, flesh-and-blood species that are yet to be discovered. Despite what many people are led to think, the whole world hasn’t yet been paved over in asphalt and concrete, and there are plenty of large, uninhabited and heavily forested places left in the world — which is why I brought up the Bili Ape example. Let’s not forget too that chimps and gorillas were thought of as native myths until recent history.

      Thanks for checking in, and best of luck. Hope to hear of some good, solid evidence upon your return, and above all, stay safe out there.

  6. Cheers John
    I just get mad at ‘armchair experts’ commenting on thingsthey know nothing about or placesthey have never been.
    If people want ‘paranormal’ entities then take a gander at things like Owlman, Mothman and so on. Orang-pendek is an ape. Its no more paranormal than an orang-utan and infact may be a new speciesof terestrial orang-utan.
    All the best Rich

  7. There’s been so much banter lately about the multi-dimensional potential for so many various elusive creatures, ETs, UFOs, ghosts, etc. I’m starting to believe it – as an alternative to thinking that maybe we just can’t find them because WE can’t be in two places at once like them.
    So, after a bit of research into the white powder gold phenomenon and the potential for this substance to shift its recipient into alternate dimensions, I’m beginning to wonder if there might be a link here.
    Let’s imagine that there is a substance that these cryptos have access to , say, in their diet, that allows them to do this shifting.
    What on earth, you ask, could they eat here that would allow them to jump dimensions?
    I ask – what, in another dimension, they may have in their menus (whether real or virtual) to enable them to visit this dimension.
    At any rate, I want a job looking for them and if I don’t find anything…I get to keep my job and then go out looking for something else.
    Sincerely…

  8. Richard I have done real research, unlike you, and you come across as an ignorant yahoo btw. You are no different to those who believe that the US govt is hiding evidence of an ET craft that crashed in Roswell and pour scorn on those who say, uh no not really. And these ET true believers can’t even get to grips with the more scholarly literature on the subject, ’cause they already have all the answers or so they think. Yet they know nothing. It’s why US ufology is such an unfunny joke.

    Richard is actually implying everybody from the late John Keel to Jacques Vallee, Bertrand Meheust, Peter Rojcewicz, Jenny Randles, John Spencer, the late Hilary Evans, the late D Scot Rogo, Jeff Kripal, Janet and Colin Bord, George Hansen, Nigel Watson, Manfred Casirer, the late Stan Gooch, Rick Strassman, the late Lyall Watson, Eric Ouellet, Robert LeLieuvre, Bruce Duensing, Colin Wilson, Patrick Harpur, David Sivier, Dean Radin morons, and a lot others besides. These names are among the most knowledgeable in Forteana, parapsychology, folklore, ufology, comparative religion and the like. I am familiar with their output. Richard the know-it-all-know-nothing clearly doesn’t have a clue or thinks it irrelevant to cryptozoology, when it is all too relevant. He just comes across as another howler monkey fratboy who mistakes his moronic ad hominem insults from behind his computer for some kind of legitimate argument. Pathetic and lame.

  9. Then again Richard has invested so much into all this, psychologically, emotionally, financially, so he couldn’t ever admit to himself he’s just chasing shadows! Cognitive dissonance and all that.

    There is no evidence that the Orang-Pendek is anything other than a yeti/sasquatch, ie basically anything other than a flesh and blood mammal. That is you have no physical beastie dead or alive, no skeleton or part thereof, no fossil. Nada, zilch. And when you lot come back from this expedition you will still have nada, zilch, nothing. Rien. Until and unless you have actual evidence of an undiscovered species, you know an actual specimen, dead or alive, heck even a skeleton, or part thereof, you have nothing. Freeman doesn’t seem to get that.

    Freeman the onus, the burden of evidence is actually on you, so we we will wait and see.. Let’s see you show yourself on this blog after your expedition turns up nothing, and btw excrement, sightings, hair, fur, even footprints, photos etc aren’t nearly good enough as far as real evidence is concerned. I would explain why but it would probably be wasted. Preferably nothing less than a captured specimen. Dead or alive. Or at the very least a skeleton or part thereof confirmed as a previously unrecognized primate species of an orang type or similar by world-class paleoanthropologists.

    When the expedition returns empty-handed will Freeman admit that the Orang-Pendek doesn’t exist in the mundane physical sense? Of course not. What does it matter if no unequivocal evidence is unearthed, Freeman and his ilk will go on believing. I’ll tell you what, Freeman you come back with actual physical evidence of the Orang – you know an actual specimen or three – and I will eat crow, admit I was wrong and you were right. I’m prepared to make my prediction here and stand by it. Is Freeman ever prepared to admit he may be wrong? I doubt it. My notion can be falsified, come back with an Orang-Pendek and I have egg on my face.

    Freeman I reckon will try to have it both ways, even without any evidence (that’s an actual captured specimen, dead or alive or a skeleton minimum) he will go on believing. Just who is being scientific here?

    Let’s see, time will tell. I predict twenty years from now there will still be no Orang-Pendek discovered but the true believers like Freeman will go on believing. Maybe they will cook up some scenario of the Orang going to live underground in caves, like the Morlocks from Wells’s ‘The Time Machine’. There is no unfalsifiable conjecture that I would put past the likes of the true believers.

    Shuffield, for what it’s worth, I don’t buy into the multidimensional hypothesis, but it can’t be ruled out.

  10. Lawrence
    Hair we brought back from Sumatra in 2009 was examined by experts at Copenhagen University. Their conclution…unknow primate.
    I have heard some dimwits sput some infantile babble but you take the buiscuit. You sound like a four year old talking about fairies at the bottom of the garden. How dear imply my research is not real you imbicilic oaf. I’ve gone to places, seen things and done things that a cretin like you never will.
    Keep taking your tablets and stay in your rubber room.

  11. A little late in the day but Freeman’s laughable ad hominem response to me is the kind of stupid nonsense spouted out on internet forums every day by junior high schoolers who think they are being clever. The internet is full of such gunge mistaken for debate and argument. Freeman doesn’t understand that lame and juvenile name calling does not a credible argument make. Insulting your opponents so shamelessly and pathetically is not how the borders of scientific knowledge are advanced, believe it or not. On the contrary it only demeans you and whatever point you want to make.

    So Freeman doesn’t answer me – what when your expedition comes back empty handed? Maybe Freeman thinks more hair is his smoking gun. Let us know then which zoologists are prepared to put their names to a scientific paper sent to a professional scientific journal considering your ‘hair’ samples (including any forthcoming from this latest expedition) to be definitive evidence of a new previously unrecognized species and let us know which journal lets it pass peer review. OK?

    Till then I’ll let you know that you are chasing fairies in the jungle. I understand, truth hurts, so lash out at the messenger. Still lame though.

  12. I have a suggestion for Richard Freeman. The prints of the pendek match those of a hyrax skeleton, i.e. four front toes and three at the rear with a side grooming claw. See here Hyrax Skeleton. I just discovered another pendek photo which is a good match .

    See here http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=62166” (Pendek print). The hyrax is something of an enigma and fossil evidence shows it grew to the size of a small pony. The lack of further fossils would be due to the high brain functioning species carrying their dead to the same place as their secret one-place latrines. It would also explain why there wasn’t a DNA match for the blood found after the infamous tiger trap escape incident.

    Best wishes for the expedition.

    1. Hi Alan — Glad the Comments box worked for you this time! Right now, I’d say the best for source of information is Adam Davies’s and Andy Sanderson’s Extreme Expeditions Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/extreme.expeditions.net. Also check out The Center for Fortean Zoology website. I’ll post an article on The Paranomalist after I get the scoop from Adam about the expedition. I’m not going to bother him right now because I’m sure he’s probably exhausted. Keep an eye out for the article though, or better yet, subscribe to the Paranomalist news feed for updates. I’ve also got a Facebook page, available if you search on The Paranomalist in FB. I post updates and my random brain-goo there.

  13. Alan here
    http://forteanzoology.blogspot.com/2011/09/newsflash-sumatra-expedition-cast.html
    John C has also commented there as you can see.

    A hand-print, more hair apparently, that was quick! Excrement next, I assume. Then foot-tracks, or maybe that comes before the dung, we’ll see. Then maybe they will report hearing its howl/call/cry/song. Maybe they will even get a recording of it. As I predict above, they won’t come back with a single specimen, alive or dead or an unidentified Orang or Orang type skeleton. In other words, no incontrovertible evidence. Just wait and see.. It’s a very safe bet.

    Freeman will announce the expedition a great success anyway, sans his specimen, holding up hairs and plaster casts of prints, photos of prints. Just like so many expeditions before him on the hunt for these ‘wild-men’ whatever they may be called, from Canada to Tibet, Nepal and India. History repeats and I will let the history of the hunt for the Oh-Mah, yeti/Meh-Tehs, Dzu-Tehs, mande-burung (which Freeman hunted for last year, no success), Shirus, Dwendis, Almas, Mapinguarys etc and previous expeditions for the Orang-Pendek (‘little man’) in Sumatra be the guide.

    Personally I think a recording of the cry of a ‘wildman’, overdubbed onto the Jeff Buckley version of Leonard Cohen’s ‘Hallelujah’ and set to loop could be a big hit, and it would recoup some of the costs for the expedition. Don’t say I don’t try to help..

    1. Lawrence — I encourage discussion on my blog, even if it is heated, so I have no problem with you posting your views, or with Richard (or anyone else who would like to join in) responding to them. It just strikes me as easy to say “I told you so” when the expedition comes back with anything less than a live specimen in a cage. I understand that you don’t believe that an undiscovered hominoid could possibly exist in an overpopulated world, and I know that there are many people out there who share that opinion. And again, it’s absolutely okay with me if people wish to express that on The Paranomalist blog. This website isn’t just for the “true believer” -types and I have never and will never censor out the skeptics. However, my question is this: just because something might not exist, or even if it probably does not exist, does this mean that it should not be investigated?

      Personally, I think that there are reasons to believe that there could be undiscovered species of apes or even proto-humans in some of the more remote regions of our planet. And obviously Adam, Richard, Andy, and the rest of the expedition felt that the evidence was compelling enough to have warranted another long, dangerous trek into the Sumatran jungle. But even if the chances are slim-to-none that they ever come back with definitive evidence (and I’m not saying that that is the case) should they simply not bother because this creature might not exist? Or even if it probably does not? I think down that road lies the end of progress for humankind.

      Lastly, I think we westerners are a bit too hasty to dismiss the testimony of aboriginal people as mere legend or flights of fancy. The native folk of these areas have claimed to have seen and even interacted with the orang pendek for generations. Are these more examples of the “collective unconscious” showing us things that we want to see, or maybe even our brains are hardwired to see? I’m not saying that this is out of the question, but it could just be that these are actual accounts of a real, flesh-and-blood species.

      Thanks again for taking the time to post your comments. — John

  14. John well said. I don’t want to take over you blog comments section as is.

    I hardly dismiss what native folk the world over say about the ‘wild-men’ among us, in fact I take their cultural wisdom and values a helluva lot more seriously than I take the modern Western so-called ‘enlightenment’ horror materialist culture of ours, that’s literally killing us. I include the horrors of scientific reductionism and scientism in that estimation likewise. It’s just that I interpret the sightings and the like re the wild-men among aboriginal peoples and Westerners to be a window to what writer Patrick Harpur calls the daimonic reality. (read his book of the same title, you won’t regret it. A masterpiece) In fact I take the sightings of ‘native folk’ very seriously, otherwise I wouldn’t take this whole hypothesis of the animus mundi seriously at all.

    Also you are right – if not for all these expeditions turning up nothing definitive over the decades, I would not think the collective unconscious hypothesis had so much going for it! So I actually do appreciate these expeditions! If I had known Freeman was going to respond here, I would have been more diplomatic. Once it got started though, well..

    This is why – at bottom – I have nothing against Freeman and what he is doing and am bemused by this flame-war. I think if we met in person, we would probably get along much better, and would politely agree to disagree. It’s actually kinda funny. The thing with the internet, you have to be careful what you say, because unless you are dismissing somebody who is dead, they can come along and tell you in no uncertain times what they think!

    I think the problem with the internet also is that people don’t hold back, whereas in face to face discussions and disagreements, we are far more restrained, the reasons are obvious. In the latter case, fists can fly.

    John it’s interesting reading Ivan Sanderson’s masterpiece on this exact subject (I mention it further up) half a century exactly after it was first published (and given all that has happened since then). If you haven’t read it, I recommend it heartily. One can get a copy for free off the internet (legit and legal) at sacred texts (I have a first edition in hard-cover myself).

    1. Thanks, Lawrence. Feel free to comment as often as you like. I have read Ivan Sanderson’s book, but it was many years ago. I may have a copy somewhere at my dad’s house — I’ll have to look. I would like to re-read it.

      You’re the second person this past year who has suggested that I read Patrick Harpur’s Daimonic Reality. I believe the other person who recommended the book was Irish author Herbie Brennan, whose encounter with “Faerie Horses” I related in a post earlier this year. I’ll make a point to read both books soon and post reviews.

  15. Lawrence
    Once again you spout trash that would make an 8 year old blush. You reel off names of the authors of books you have read. Very clever. I counter them with real researchers and scientists who support the existance of orang-pendek, Ian Redmond, Debbie Martyr,Sir David Attenborough, Jeremy Holden. It staggers me how you internet ‘experts’ can whitter on about stuff as if you are in the know. I’ve worked with all the great apes know to science. I examined the print close up. Its the print of an ape but not that of an orang-utan. You were not in those deep jungles with the team (personaly i doubt you would last half an hour up there) so you know nothing. Just stop embaressing yourself with these retarded comments from someone whose world view seems to come from the dark ages.

  16. I really have to mention that juvenile name-calling discredits anyone’s statements,
    as far as I’m concerned.

    The facts are controversial enough-
    must we resort to ranting at each other?

  17. I would have to agree; personal attacks do not resolve issues. When one is making an attempt to investigate something, only such investigation and verifiable documentation can resolve the issue. While it would be incredible to produce “a critter in a cage” that would forever dispel further debate, if such a creature exists it may well be sentient and could react as one of us would to capture and incarceration, medical probing and examination. But, only through field research and dilligently following up on leads does the human knowledge base grow; such is the nature of all sciences. Let us see what the expeditions yield, and debate the findings instead of each others’ credentials and credibility. I for one will sit back and watch what develops without bias toward either camp. Scientifically reproduce-able results are what will define truth from conjecture.
    Are there any updates to this ongoing research?

  18. Hi Mr.John Carlson.
    I was born in Sumatera (Indonesia) on Bangka Island.
    I heard this Orang Pendek (Small Man) long time ago.From my of fathers fathers and his descendants to the generation of my father and mother.
    Till this moment no one knows the existence and the truth about this although there are some people who found a footprint as small children amid the forest.
    I look forward to the truth of the existence of this short man .. hopefully with no knowledge of science can unfold this mystery.

    For your information, most people assume is the Orang Pendek = Astral Beings.

    All The Best,
    Ipoet.Poetra

    1. Hi Ipoet — I’m looking forward to conclusive evidence of the Orang Pendek as well. I think that among all the cryptids being researched at this time (the bipedal / humanoid ones, at least) we might have the best opportunity to find definitive proof of the the Orang Pendek’s existence. There are some excellent researchers (Adam Davies in particular) who are putting forth a concerted effort to find this creature and progress is being made.

      I find it very interesting that among the native people there’s a belief that the Orang Pendek is an astral being. I hadn’t heard of that before. That much more intriguing because many of the First Nations people of North America feel that the Sasquatch is also a spiritual being, or both physical and spiritual.

      Thank you for submitting your views.
      — John

    1. Hi Ipoet — I’d have to ask my friend Adam Davies. He’s one of the foremost researchers of the Orang Pendek and has been to Sumatra many times. I believe that quit a bit of Adam’s research was used (with his consent) for an Orang Pendek research project by Cliff Barackman. You can read more about it at: .

      When I have more information I’ll be sure to post it.

  19. For any who insist that “if Orang Pendek existed we’d have found a skeleton by now” they should consider this.

    We know that chimps are real but in the history of the world no chimp fossils have ever been found. The conditions are simply wrong for the making of fossils, you see.And, the OR may very well bury their dead.

    Also, Todd Standing and Ron Morehead have proved the existence of Bigfoot. But this is not for those who are waiting for the govt to cease it’s official denial before accepting the truth. Some truths require enough courage to think unapproved thoughts.

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