The XYZ Files — Part Eight
Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na- na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na–Mothman!

"Mothman" by the great Frank Frazetta.
Forget the Richard Gere movie and read Keel’s book. I’ll say it again, and in a different way: if what you know about the Mothman flap of 1967-68 (near Solar Max) at Point Pleasant, W. Virginia comes from that movie, then you don’t know squat about what really happened until you read the book. Fortunately, it was reissued at the same time as the movie so there’s lots of used copies about. We’re even more fortunate that Fortean Times Magazine has done several followups on those events, and the events in John Keel’s spy-plagued life after it. Simply put, Mothman isn’t the main show, it’s an artifact, a by-product of cold war electromagnetic weapons testing. Keel tells us this very clearly in his books, and paid for it with his privacy for the rest of his life. Ah, remember the peace, love and freedom of the 60′s? Yeah, right.
What I’m about to tell you sounds sufficiently crazy and paranoid to have a tail put on me too, but I no longer see evidence that business in the intelligence sector is done that way. In this day and age, with the internet chuck full of every kind of paranoid conspiracy theorist, nut-job and foamy-mouthed prophet, my voice is just one more in the cacophony and the plausible deniability of this situation never ends. Here we sit in a nation that with their own eyes watched 9-11 unfold in ways that cannot be supported by the official explanations and yet only a bout 1/3rd of us are willing to admit it. I’m guessing that about a third are scared to question anything and the other third are too ignorant to evaluate the evidence of their senses against the progress of science. There are now 10s of 1000s of whistle blowers, each with vital parts of the puzzle, all being cheerfully ignored. What government would want to mess with that?
The 60′s were different and the flow of information across entire nations wasn’t understood very well. We were but 20 years away from WWII, where the flow of information and disinformation brought half the world to it’s knees and we were just starting to understand the value of that. It didn’t help matters that we were quagmired in an increasingly unpopular war, that social structures were crumbling and that illicit drug abuse was becoming widespread . . or did it? In a sense, there could be no better time to test mind-bending EM weapons on an unsuspecting populace . . . and I’ve come to think that’s exactly what Keel was telling us in that book. For those completely unfamiliar with the Mothman flap, allow me to direct you to this Wiki site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothman which contains a pretty good overview.

Monsters are SO interesting...
My first clue came from the descriptions given in the initial reports: “We were doing 100 miles an hour . . . and that bird kept right up with us. It wasn’t even flapping its wings.” “It squeaked like a big mouse.” “Suddenly it spread a pair of wings . . . and took off straight up like a helicopter.” “I’ve never had that feeling before. A weird kind of fear . . . That fear gripped you and held you. Somehow, the best way to explain it would be to say that the whole thing just wasn’t right.” Most of the descriptions of Mothman are of the “Dog-headed Men Smoking Cigarettes” variety, I. e. some sort of projection of the unconscious, likely. This creature flies, and up speeds up to 100 mph, but it’s wings clearly aren’t big enough to lift it’s bulk even if it bothered to flap them, which it often did not. Top that off with the fact that it was typically seen as headless with saucer-sized eyes in its upper chest, covered with hair. This thing is impossible by the usual standards by which we measure. It seems hastily assembled from a collection of spooky images, the closest of which is not The Batman (after which its own name was coined) but rather the copyrighted Warner brothers monster character, Gossamer, whom—oddly enough—debuted in 1946:
I think we could stick some wings on him and be just about good to go. Love the shoes . . .
My second clue came when Keel was investigating the TNT area (where the first sightings occurred) and came across a clearly-defined “zone of fear”. Standing in one spot he felt fine, but a step or 2 to the left and he was filled with an unreasoning panic that he actually had to address consciously and overcome, if he was ever to get back to his car. We can recognize this behavior from both the research of Dr. Persinger and from the UFO lore in general which is filled with incidents of panic fear arising almost immediately after the close sighting of an UFO. As this and other events played out over the next year I surmised that an extraordinary amount of electrical power must have been utilized to get this and other effects and predicted that the general increase of cancer would certainly follow, and it seems that this is just what happened. Over the years that followed, many of the original witnesses would succumb to the rarer cancers that we now are beginning to find are related to EM exposure. Some of the witnesses died mysteriously in what looked like iffy suicides, freakish accidents and outright murders.
As the story unfolds, we find Keel pointing out time and again that there is a huge tendency to confabulate and whip up hysteria, given the right sort of mysterious stimulus and one can reasonably suppose that this was part of this experiment. It wasn’t long before Mothman was a public spectacle, bringing people out to various siting locations around the area, sometimes by the 100′s. If there was no Mothman to be seen, there were still plenty of odd, luminous shapes winging through the sky like so many UFOs. I am put in mind of a man researched by Albert Budden who had the misfortune of building his house too close to a Ministry of Defense project. He felt weird vibrations, observed chevron-shaped luminous objects in the sky and had a host of other paranormal complaints before coming down with a rare, and fatal, cancer. He was trying to sue the MoD at the time of his death.
Even more telling are the Men in Black and various other personnel moving through this community, keeping tabs on people, threatening witnesses, misdirecting the US Mail, etc. While I haven’t a clue why tall, thin Swedes and short, olive-skinned (more space Italians?) men would predominate, I would like to call the readers attention to several salient observations. These guys wore shoes with thick, rubber soles. One was observed to have a wire running from his shoe and from thence on up his trouser-leg. Another took a pill in the presence of witnesses and many had bugged-out “thyroid eyes” and sweated profusely. Many of these visitors behaved in a manner designed to produce a kind of cognitive dissonance, as in the example where one MIB began fondling a woman’s breast while asking her husband: “Am I doing this right?” As crazy as it sounds, I think these guys are either wearing a device that was designed to scramble the perceptions of those in its vicinity, else they were operating within a some sort of field effect bathing the area from a remote projector. Between the thick rubber soles, the wires and the pills and the obvious discomfort of the MIB, not to mention the physical symptoms that plagued the interviewees upon their departure, it looks like it adds up to nothing less than some sort of electronic psy-ops experiment.
Then of course, there’s the phones and the TV interference. I’m not sure most people realize how inductance works and I don’t think I could give as scientific an explanation as I would like, but suffice it to say that strong, coherent radio signals can “step on” smaller, weaker signals and if conditions are right, and the signal strong enough, equipment can pick up both RF signals, EM interference and even a transient power supply. Given that electricity is the movement of electrons along a buss, within discrete components or along or wire one should know that all that is required for a device to operate is for these electrons to be made to move in the manner for which the device was designed. An unplugged radio or TV set, in the right kind of EM environment can operate (usually abnormally). In fact when I hear tales of this sort of thing, the first thing I do is inquire about the relative locations of microwave communications towers and suggest a sweep of the premises with a trifield meter or the like. It is also now clear the various militaries have advanced quite far in the realm of electronic jamming and countermeasures. I believe that in certain paranormal cases we are seeing the natural-world version of the same principles. I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t take much to make a device that would interfere and over-ride the function of the simple Western Electric Telephone that everyone had in those days, but it probably wouldn’t be necessary, as Keel’s book shows that the phone company was deeply infiltrated with illegal wiretapping at the time and the things that happened at Point Pleasant probably had their origin no farther away than the utility company itself.
Overall, the impression I get is that literally 100′s of agents were installed in this community with the intention of either administering this incredible mind-blow, documenting its effects on the citizens or both. I can come to no other conclusion than believing that Keel was observed from close quarters by people in whom he’d placed some ordinary trust (like hotel clerks), had his mail opened and read and misdirected by planted agents in the post office and was carefully fed information and disinformation to see where he would take it and what he would do with it. It doesn’t surprise me one bit that Skeptical Inquirer journalist John C. Sherwood published an analysis of private letters between Keel and Barker during the period of Keel’s investigation and documented significant differences between what Keel wrote at the time of his investigation and what Keel wrote in his first book. I suspect Keel came to the same sorts of conclusions I have and quite early on realized what he’d wandered into and edited his account accordingly.
Clearly, the thing that got him in the most trouble were his remarks about the nearby naval base and what he learned there. Briefly, he visited the brass at that institution in order to get a military perspective on the unusual events and was pretty much stonewalled in a classic style. But, being John Keel, he had to get his story somehow and relied instead on buying a few rounds of drinks at the NCO club until he’d heard enough about what was going on and remarked: “Some general at the Pentagon ought to have his butt kicked for doing this so close to a populated area.” Can it be more clear?
Possible explanations for Mothman…
So, given that I believe this to be a large-scale psy-ops experiment, what then is Mothman? I’ve puzzled over that for awhile and came up with a couple of pretty wild scenarios:
- Mothman is a projection of some kind, acted out at a remote location and beamed somehow as information into the vicinity, if not the minds of the witnesses.
- Mothman is a real entity, extraterrestrial or infraterrestrial, that is participating in a military experiment for reasons of his own.
- It’s a projection of the unconscious, or the form of an archetype (probably “The Bogeyman”) that comes about as the witnesses are stressed by the experiments.
- Mothman is some class of “temporary animal” caused by local and/or military EM disturbance
- Mothman is an ordinary denizen of the universe next door, temporarily made visible (and maybe even tangible) in our reality because our weapons testing is stretching the fabric of reality in such a way as to make that happen.
There’s a few very good reasons why I would choose the last 2 possibilities over the first 3. The main one is that Mothman and things like Mothman are seen all around the world and at many times in history, suggesting to me a natural, rather than artificial origin. To date, giant dragons, snakes, pteradactyls and 40′ tall everglades-dwelling penguins have been spotted by competent observers and such things seem to have a part in our perceptions. The integrity of the interactions the creature seems to have with vehicles, animals and people makes me think we are not dealing with a mere projection but something that can perceive us in some way. I always have a hard time getting 100% behind the notion that a diverse collection of witnesses could all have the same exact hallucination, but I’ll grant it a possibility. In fact, one thing the Mothman case has in common with other EM-exposure cases is the seeming blossoming of psychic powers, or at least a sudden preponderance of people who now think they have psychic powers. I don’t find it impossible to believe that damage done to the nervous system of a given individual might result in some very strange experiences of the psi variety, and there are many cases on record.
But what is a “temporary animal”? Given that the nature of reality (or so I believe) is malleable by human thought, it shouldn’t be too hard for an adept yogi to create a tulpa, and maybe something really grand if his efforts could find amplification, somehow. Another “maybe” is that the mere thought of this bogeyman can become quite real, but only temporarily and only under peculiar electromagnetic duress, like say the EM events that seem to be triggered by seismic activity. I personally think that all the observations lead up to a notion of multiple “worlds” or hidden sets of dimensions that are being accessed (or perhaps exploited) due to our exposure to EM fields . . . but it can be one step weirder. Are we tearing at the fabric of reality and allowing weird monsters through? Or are we tearing away at the reality we make with our senses and letting the monsters out? And to what degree is our experience of reality different from reality when both are being tampered with at once?
Naturally, we’ll never know what happened there in Point Pleasant, because all we have at this date and time is a slowly-evolving carnival, a museum, a statue and pretty much another Roswell on our hands. While we’re all being misdirected to wonder about this Mothman fellow, we should be asking ourselves something else. What causes Mothman?
John Carlson is a husband, father, and business owner. He’s worked as a self–employed Web developer for over ten years. John was raised in New Jersey USA where he currently resides with his wife and two sons.
Tall Swedes and short, olive-skinned Italians? Sounds like my dad and mom! Great article once again, Dänae. I agree with you — I’m inclined to believe in the last two explanations (readers, see the bullet-pointed list under “Possible explanations..”). For the record though, I loved The Mothman Prophecies movie with Richard Gere. But, having read the book beforehand, it really isn’t much like the events that John Keel recorded at all. Still, I thought it was a great, eerie movie and definitely an underrated one. However, I’d recommend reading the book for those who have only seen the film. It’s a classic among all the paranormal-related literature.
A good movie, but a nice functional whitewash. Kind of like the Philadelphia Experiment, except that the events at Point Pleasant actually happened. PE, on the other hand is like the hoax that refused to die, but a good study in human gullibility. Having this movie out there will act to defuse any real investigation by the general populace, particularly by concentrating on Mothman. I wonder how much resistance one would encounter if one were to launch a 2-hr. documentary delving into all aspects of this case? I could see such a thing taking the same format as Wisconsin Death Trip (if you haven’t seen it–do).
I liked The Mothman Prophecies purely as a piece of entertainment, but it probably does distract from the real events that Keel chronicles in the book by the same name. Yeah, I never bought the Philadelphia Experiment story either. I think it’s about as real as the Ong’s Hat story. Watching “Wisconsin Death Trip” now. Cheery. For any interested readers, you can find it on YouTube here: Wisconsin Death Trip. Not sure if this is the complete documentary or not. It’s kind of short. A real, full-length Mothman documentary based on John Keel’s research would be nice to see. Let’s make that.
WDT was also based on a book that chronicled these events in photos of the time, supplemented by newspaper articles. The documentary came later. It’s nearly 2 hrs long on the netflix disc I got . . . so maybe you’re looking at some sort of edited version.
As for John’s research, I thought a lot about that in the days after he died. A library based on that research would be really something indeed and perhaps an interested party can make inquiries as to what happened to his files, books and notes..
Don’t worry, John’s papers were saved by his friends and family. I’ve posted many interesting bits on my tribute site, http://www.johnkeel.com.
Nice article! By the way, “The Eighth Tower” — which John said grew from the material cut from “The Mothman Prophecies” — is largely concerned with the effects of the electromagnetic spectrum.
And that’s a good catch on Gossamer; John used to show a Bugs Bunny/Gossamer cartoon at Fortean events. Cheers!
Very interesting website, Doug. Read a bit of it and I’ll look at it further this week. Thanks for the information!
Don’t worry, John’s papers were saved by his friends and family. I’ve posted many interesting bits on my tribute site, http://www.johnkeel.com.
I’ll check that out right away! Very good news, too!
Nice article! By the way, “The Eighth Tower” — which John said grew from the material cut from “The Mothman Prophecies” — is largely concerned with the effects of the electromagnetic spectrum.
I’ve not heard of that title . . . and a lot of John’s books are hard to find just now, or at least cheap enough for the likes of me to buy them.
And that’s a good catch on Gossamer; John used to show a Bugs Bunny/Gossamer cartoon at Fortean events. Cheers!
An interesting synchronicity . . . Glad you enjoyed the article.
“The Eighth Tower” didn’t sell well, and wasn’t reprinted in the US. Galde Press planned to reissue it, but it just never happened. The British title was “The Cosmic Question”; I think there are some on-line versions under that title. Keep up the good work!
Got it! Thank you so much! It feels like a step in the right direction. Paper copies of this book are fetching even more than my own (The Book of the Glyph) on Amazon. $75 and up–yikes!
Oh, and before I forget–is there any chance, Doug, that his papers will be viewable, searchable, brouseable . . . either in person or on the web? Or even cataloged?
We’re working on it! Meanwhile, I’ve used his files to compile a bibliography of his work, which is on the site.
If it was EM experimentation (and not mass hysteria), my vote is that the experimentation altered brain functioning that distorted perception, logic, and judgment.
I don’t see it as either/or. I think we can state that em fields of certain strength and frequency can produce all of the altered brain functions you mention. Throw in some MIBs and a few people that claim to be aliens and you can get some pretty good paranoia going.
All movies made from a book simplify. They have to. What was really great about “The Mothman Prophecies” was that, for once, a movie GOT ACROSS SOME IDEAS! You may not agree with Keel, or like his ideas at all, but the movie actually respected your intellect enough to present some of his key concepts. I expected mindless CGI, and nothing of Keel except a betrayed title. Pleasant surprise!
I agree completely, Frank. It was a very well-written, directed and acted movie that I think kind of went under the radar. I much prefer thoughtful, atmospheric movies like this, as opposed to those that use gratuitous violence and excessive cgi effects as a substitute for a good plot. Yes, it was a departure from Keel’s book, but I also liked the fact that it brought up some interesting ideas. Personally, I’d like to see more films like “The Mothman Prophecies”.
I was disappointed that the movie conflated Indrid Cold and Mothman. They were different stories, and problematic in different ways.
By the way, I accompanied John to the first screening. He was somewhat dazed at seeing his own (fictionalized) life up on the screen! And he was amused at “Mr. Leek”: “He’s stealing my act!”
Same here, and that’s much of the problem I had with it . . . plus it had the obligatory love story running through it. It could have been such a different film, and still had the atmosphere. I just don’t think there’s a lot of talent in Hollywood anymore, nor will there be when Art is not the first consideration.
I read Mr. Keels book twice just to be sure I didn’t miss any of the points of his story. I thought it was well written and understandable! I do not know or even pretend to know, what it was that those eyewitnesses saw but they all seem to know in their hearts, that what they saw, was real; just not explainable! For you or anyone else to say that what these folks saw was just impossible, is a very closed minded way to respond their need to make some kind of sense of what they witnessed. Sorry but I find your critique very narrow minded and almost an insult to those who witnessed this creature what ever it was! The movie bye the way, was never supposed to reflect the book, the movie was just for entertainment. But you are entitled to your opinion no matter what that opinion may be. Oh and to even think the government has the brains to cause such a thing as the Mothman gives it way to much credit. And as for the crazy conspiracy theory that our government had any thing to do with the 911 attacks is just that; crazy! Did you forget who flew the planes? I have had people tell me that what we all saw was not planes at all but missles fired by the us government! This is just absolute insanity! This is the first one of your blogs I have read but trust me sir, I will not waste any more time reading such silliness. I know this will just break your heart, right? However on the lighter side please keep writing, just use a more open mind when you do write, try not to insult the inteligence of what others see or experience! Hope I don’t leave you angry at me but I guess that goes with the territory right?
I read Mr. Keels book twice just to be sure I didn’t miss any of the points of his story. I thought it was well written and understandable!
Then you must have read the part where Mr. Keel visited the naval base and came away to write, and I quote closely: “Some general at the Pentagon ought to get his butt kicked for doing this.” And, of course the parts near the end of the book where he was plagued by wiretapping and spies.
I do not know or even pretend to know, what it was that those eyewitnesses saw but they all seem to know in their hearts, that what they saw, was real; just not explainable! For you or anyone else to say that what these folks saw was just impossible, is a very closed minded way to respond their need to make some kind of sense of what they witnessed. Sorry but I find your critique very narrow minded and almost an insult to those who witnessed this creature what ever it was!
Uh . . . I do not disbelieve what they saw, not at all. I use the word “impossible” in connection with the word “seemed” as it “seemed impossible” at least by the usual ways that we measure things. I do indeed believe that people saw unusual things.
The movie bye the way, was never supposed to reflect the book, the movie was just for entertainment.
Of course, and that’s the problem with Hollywood, as I see it. They could have made a much better movie about the whole incident, but chose instead to degrade what truth it may have contained, rather like The Philadelphia Experiment Movie lit a new fire under what was certainly a hoax. Of course, we live in a curious time . . . the lid’s been blown off the Roswell incident by Nick Redfern and Britain has even apologized to Japan formally for their role in it, I’m led to believe . . . yet the US simply won’t tell the truth and prefer to stick to their alien story. They’d be a lot easier to trust if they’d stop telling absurd lies.
But you are entitled to your opinion no matter what that opinion may be. Oh and to even think the government has the brains to cause such a thing as the Mothman gives it way to much credit.
And I would have to completely disagree with you, but first would have to state that “military scientists” or even “the military” does not equal “the government”. They are quite separate entities with separate goals, the military being employed by our government.
And as for the crazy conspiracy theory that our government had any thing to do with the 911 attacks is just that; crazy!
Well, I did not want to get up on a soap box on this particular issue, as it is not especially germane to my articles, but I do think I should make myself clear. I do not think “the government” as an organized body was responsible for the events of 9-11, but I do firmly believe that some persons within our government, either past or present (at that time) were probably involved and the various investigative journalists of some merit have made the case rather plainly. I do not want to say that I know why all this happened (except to say that it does rather look like a false-flag operation designed to frighten congress into declaring war) but I am prepared to state that certain elements of the official conspiracy theory are simply impossible, and there are thousands of scientists and engineers at this time who will agree.
Did you forget who flew the planes?
Did you forget that 10 the 12 men on the cover of Time magazine a week later, blamed for the attacks, were revealed by the FBI to be still alive and well? My memory is good on this matter, and when the president levied blame on the FBI for dropping the ball, the FBI dropped this little bomb back on him.
I have had people tell me that what we all saw was not planes at all but missles fired by the us government!
1) the one video we have of a plane hitting the tower has been pronounced as a fake by every lab that looked at it and is now missing.
2) the one video showing the “plane” that hit the Pentagon in fact shows a much smaller device, issuing smoke and fire from it’s tail end. It was the video taken by the security camera at the Sheraton, which was switched out of the vcr by the building’s security chief prior to the FBI’s confiscation of all security video tapes on that “plane’s” flight path. There also exists several eyewitness accounts from the Pentagon itself that clearly contradict the official story, one of them containing a confession of a whole different conspiracy theory.
In the late 30′s, the Nazi’s burned down their own political headquarters and blamed it on the Gypsies and Jews, sweeping Hitler into power. In 2001, some conspiracy or other burned down the WTC and blamed it on the Muslims, allowing us to force a “regime change” in a sovereign nation. Aren’t you just a little bit suspicious when someone tells you who to hate and why? And aren’t you suspicious when the story they tell has a thousand cracks in it? Probably not . . . most people are in shock when a thing like this happens and will believe what they are told, especially if it’s about “foreign devils what ain’t right with Jesus.”
This is just absolute insanity!
Insanity is watching the Crime Scene of the Century being cleaned up of every possible clue, instead of being investigated carefully.
Insanity is saying that the laws of physics were suspended on that morning to suit a crackpot conspiracy theory that holds water like a sieve.
I have examined the testimony and I have examined the evidence, such as it can be found and confirmed and I don’t know what it adds up to, but I can flatly state what it doesn’t add up to. If you really want to know answers, or at least have some better questions, you will investigate, rather than simply believe whatever you’re told. It’s as simple as that.
This is the first one of your blogs I have read but trust me sir, I will not waste any more time reading such silliness. I know this will just break your heart, right? However on the lighter side please keep writing, just use a more open mind when you do write, try not to insult the inteligence of what others see or experience! Hope I don’t leave you angry at me but I guess that goes with the territory right?
Oh, I’m not angry with you at all, and I don’t wish to insult the intelligence of anyone, even if they are describing what turns out to be a hallucination. As you will not read my earlier articles, you have robbed yourself of understanding why I say the things that I do, and in reading them you could gain a great deal of perspective on my over-arching argument.
What I am stating in this article is that organized electromagnetic weapons research is the likely culprit behind.the Mothman flap, and such research was either capable of creating shared, perhaps staged hallucinations, else created a temporary tear in the fabric of reality such that creatures (like Mothman) can be fleetingly detected and witnessed. I base these suppositions on sound, scientific (if ill-understood) principles. We are definitely at the borderlands of science, here, no doubt. Why not read the other articles to see why I say these things? It’s nothing to me either way, but it will allow you to maintain your intellectual integrity in such an argument, wouldn’t it?
I would be happy to analyze anything that someone sent my way . . .
And, of course, knowing that someone is actually reading these articles might galvanize me into writing the rest of them . . . as it turns out, one of John Keel’s old publishers has expressed an interest.
Thank you for your time.
Knew my comments may bring a response, just not such an extensive one! But like I said the very idea that our own government attacked us instead of those poor brainwashed idiots that did attack us is just plain (I still say it) insanity. And those were aircraft that impacted those towers no matter what you or anybody else may think otherwise. I have checked out the phisics of what caused those towers to fall and it was called pancaking after the steel supports became so weakened by heat that they gave way completely and suddenly! The impact of that second aircraft was filmed from several different directions and there is no (one) film to hide or destroy! The first tower to fall was the second that was hit, want to know why? Well it was hit in a lower floor that the first and the weight from above was a lot more, therefore it felll first, then the other tower failed, there is no conspiracy my friend; just a fevered group of conspiracy theorists. You know for the longest time, people thought FDR had the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor so he could declare war; but that was proven wrong also! I hope you the best of luck with Mr. Keels publisher.
If someone is going to quote Keel on the Mothman, from his book on same, perhaps further quotes would be appropriate. Including his own stated opinion that UFology = demonology and that there are “real” entities that enter our part of the spectrum to feed, spout nonsense and then disappear again having acted out their absurd little rituals to provoke the energies that are their foodstuff.
Government experiments to create or summon Mothman are fairly close as a theory to demonology.
Also in relation to the impossible flight characteristics of the Mothman, all that heaped impossibility would do no more than amuse Keel, the man who uniquely and honestly described himself as “not an expert on anything”. There is no expertise so advanced as to be able to pronounce on the fligth characteristics and “impossibility” of non flapping winged flight. Just as once armchair scientists pronounced gigantic pterosaurs impossible before the finding of quetzalcoatlasaurus et al. so too this Lavoisier style cavalier dismissal of observed flight makes no sense at all.
We have to begin with the honest observations and EXPLAIN them, not crush them to fit prejudice based assumptive theories that hold less water even than the cheap pseudo-skepticism of the lapdog media.
I’m really not a 911 person and this isn’t a 911 blog-
BUT-
The Towers are usually argued about instead of
WTC Building 7 and the Pentagon.
WTC 7 just collapsed…
without even being hit?
No building of that type has ever collapsed simply from fire damage.
As for the Pentagon event,
the size of the aircraft versus the size and shape of the hole there will never match.
The aircraft’s engines hang low and are VERY big and pretty far apart-
they are almost the diameter of the main body and would place the main body up pretty high-
and the tail is MUCH higher.
The wings are fuel tanks and are VERY wide.
If somehow the aircraft could have been flown in under 50 feet from the ground,
the residual debris field and destruction should have been IMMENSE-
and aircraft debris of that magnitude does not simply “vaporize”.
I am not theorizing anything-
the facts just simply do NOT fit the story.